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    November 16, 2009
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talk about what we can do to help them protect themselves. thank you. ms. fudge: thank you. madam speaker, i want to say to our chair how appreciative i am that she's allowed me to anchor this hour for most of this year. even though i may be biased, i know we have the most dedicated and hardworking chair of any caucus in this house. i thank you and thank you for being with me just about every week. i couldn't do it without you and thank you. ms. lee: thank you for your leadership. ms. fudge: i have been joined by my good friend and colleague from the great state of new york, the gentlelady from new york, yvette clarke. . ms. clarke: i would like to ms. clarke: i would like to thank represe giving me a moment to comment on women in small business. as the co-chair of the women's
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task force, representative fudge has demonstrated her leadership on these crucial issues and you are to be commended. i'm especially pleased to be speaking on these issues with you here this evening because of the timeliness of this conversation. women entrepreneurs have come a long way in recent decades, but more must be done to support them, especially in this dire economic environment. as the sole member of the congressional black caucus on the small business committee in the house or the senate for that matter, i'm constantly monitoring developments that affect women-owned small businesses, especially those in underserved areas. the impact of small businesses cannot be stated enough. we know the statistics, but it's worth going over it again. small businesses are the key to the health of the u.s. economy.
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they represent 99.7% of all employer firms. they employ about half of all private sector employees and pay nearly 45% of the u.s. private payroll and are responsible for more than half of the nonprivate g.d.p. women-owned businesses are an important factor in this economic story. recent studies show there are close to eight million small women-owned firms and close to $14 trillion economy, employing close to 23 million people. these are great numbers. but i, for one, believe that more must be done. not only do i believe it, but the facts bear it out. a recent study released by the
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federal reserve bank entitled, "gender and the availability to credit to privately-held firms," this relied on data of privately held businesses drawn on the surveys of small businesses' finances covering the period of 1987 through 2003. authors of the report concluded that when compared to male-owned firms, women-owned firms are significantly smaller as measured by sales, assets and employment. younger is measured by age of the firm. more likely to be in retail or business services and less likely to be in construction, secondary manufacturing and wholesale trade industries. and are more inclind to have fewer banking relationships. women owners are significantly younger and less experienced and
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tend to have less formal education than their male counterparts. the report further found that women firms are significantly more likely to be credit constrained because they are more likely to be discouraged for applying for credit. this report reflects the fact that women-owned businesses have made great strides in recent years, but that challenge to growth, business model diversification, technical abilities and ability and access to capital remain. the bottom line is that women entrepreneurs need more support. i have long been eaven advocate for women-owned businesses and it is vital we improve existing programs and explore the need for new ones to narrow this achievement gap.
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most recently, i have been hard at work exploring possible solutions for women entrepreneurs. last month, i introduced h.r. 3771, the veterans minority and women-owned business construction business mentorship and grant assistance act of 2009. this legislation would establish grant programs for women-owned small business construction companies to help create the internal business systems that are essential for success. funds would also be made available to local groups and schools to bolster technical assistance to these firms. this bill would recreate opportunities in the highly competitive construction sector where there has been a decline due to the housing downturn. this legislation is really about capacity building for small firms so they can better compete
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with the many stimulus opportunities that are still tk developed and deployed. most of the total $787 billion in stimulus funds have yet to go out. further, most of the remaining funds are targeted to shovel-ready construction projects, projects that our women-owned businesses should and must participate in. i would like to take this opportunity to applaud the women builders in this country. so often, the image of the construction industry is a burialy man in a hard hat. well, i've got news for you, gentlemen. women builders face great obstacles and challenges. in my experience, meet and exceed them consistently in a highly competitive environment. our nation's extraordinary women builders will benefit from this legislation. and i would like to thank my colleagues, including congresswoman fudge for
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supporting this bill. we have, as of today, 23 co-sponsors for the legislation. the growing support for this legislation is proof that washington is waking up to the prominent wall that small businesses, including women-owned businesses must play in our recovery. finally, i've been working to find ways to improve access to capital for women-owned businesses. it is no secret that our lrgest deposit tower institutions are not lending as much as they could but using the excess capital to provide capital buffers for their own balance sheet health, retarding any reebds that could be fueled by small business lending. i applaud president obama for announcing that his administration will be seeking low-cost loans to smaller banks
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and community development financial institutions as a means to address the small business lending gap. i'm especially supportive of the cdfi's as a means of getting credit to our women-owned firms in economically distressed areas. for every dollar i areas. for every dollar invested, 15 of nonfederal dollars will provide lending to deserving borrowers. i will be studying how to improve government investment to help people help themselves. let us make no mistake. the great frontier for women entrepreneurs will be consistent -- will be consistently -- will be consistent upon the ability to access credit.
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i will fight tirelessly to make this a reality. as i said earlier, these are just a few of the challenges faced by women-owned businesses. i'm always paying attention to the issues facing our women entrepreneurs and i will as long as i'm a member of congress. much work is left to be done but with the great leadership of congresswoman fudge, congresswoman lee and our speaker, speaker nancy pelosi, i know we will get to where we need to be and beyond. and i yield back the balance of my time. ms. fudge: i would like to thank my friend for coming this evening and thank her for her support of women businesses and her work on the small business committee. thank you again. i hope you will join me another time. ms. clarke: i look forward to it.
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ms. fudge: the c.b.c. is composed of 42 members, including four committee chairs, 15 subcommittee chairs and the majority 15 subcommittee chairs and the majority whip. our members promote the public welfare through legislation designed to meet the needs of millions of neglected citizens. c.b.c. members are tireless advocates who work diligently to be the conscience of the congress. we stand firm as the voice of the p6 c13 we stand firm as the voice of the people and provide dedicated, focused service to our constituents. madam speaker, we are proud to anchor this hour to discuss congress's responsiveness to an important constituency group, american women. let's first understand the current role of women in the legislative process. since 1917, when representative jeanette rankin of montana became the first women to serve in congress, a total of 260 women have served as u.s.
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senators and representatives. there are more women serving at any time. there are 17 women serving in the united states senate and 74 women serving in the united states house of representatives. of those congresswomen currently serving, 14 are currently members of the c.b.c. since the first representative of color, patsy minching of hawaii won election in 1964, a total 39 women of color have served. 30 of these women were elected after 1990. and a total of 38 have served in the house of representatives where carol mostly brown of illinois is the only women to serve from 1993 to 1999. the first african-american was
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sharle chisholm. and there are some states who have never elected a woman to congress, delaware, iowa, mississippi and vermont and i look forward to having women from those states join us at some point, madam speaker. there are historic number of women currently serving in congress, including the first woman speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, who was elected speaker in 2007. the 111th congress understands that our nation's laws must include and respond to all our citizens, including women. women in the workforce, we address that when we looked at lilly ledbetter. congress began addressing gender-based pay discrimination. in january, congress passed the littlely ledbetter fair pay act.
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just days later, president obama signed the lilly ledbetter fair pay act into law and employees can challenge unlawful discrimination. the pay check fairness act takes further steps to ensure that gender-based discrimination doesn't take place. a comprehensive update to the 46-year-old equal pay act, the pay check fairness act, puts gender-based discriminations sanctions on equal footing with other forms such as race, disability or age. it creates a new grant program to help strengthen the salary negotiation skills of girls and women. and it creates strong incentives for employers to equally compensate workers while
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strengthening, correlating enforcement efforts. in 1963, president john f. keppedy signed the equal pay act into law. progress has been slow since passage of the act. after four decades, american women continue to be unfairly compensated foyer their work. according to the national organization of women, when the equal pay act was signed into law, women working full-time and year round earned an average of 59 cents for every dollar earned by men. in 2007, women made 78 cents for every dollar earned by men. today, the gap has narrowed by less than half of a percent by year. the impact of income disparity extends beyond the individual woman. it is not just a woman's issue but a family issue. the current wage gap hurts everyone. it lowers family income for
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essentials such as groceries. when women earn more, families benefit. closing the wage gap is a part of strengthening america's families and providing hope for a better future. i stand in support of equal pay for all. i look forward to the day when all women receive equal pay for equal work. the american recovery and reinvestment act recognized the need to get our people back to work and that includes women. during the current recession from december, 2007, until september, 2009, roughly two million women lost their jobs according to employers across this nation. as of september, women represented 49.9% of all workers excluding those in the armed forces and farm workers. the american recovery and reinvestment act contains powerful provisions to retrain
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workers. the american recovery and reinvestment act has made nearly 4 billion available through the department of labor for job training programs. just under $3 billion of this funding has already gone out to states through formula grants through the workforce investment act. speaking to the deputy director of workforce training where i live, the county will receive $14 million for training and will help dislocated adults, including american women. $750 million will be allocated through competitive grants to train people in green jobs and health care and other high demand sectors. while women are underrepresented in many of these high demand sectors, we can be retrained to compete for these jobs. i am proud of community organizations that retrain women in nontraditional industries. hard-hatted women is one such
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organization. the nonprofit located in cleveland, ohio is launching tradeswomen tools. this program will rink women to opportunities in high wage, nontraditional fields, using the expertise of women working on diversity initiatives in these fields. the goal is to link women with employment opportunities within the building trades in heavy highway construction, energy and utility sectors, green building sectors and advanced manufacturing. . tradewoman tools provides orientation into nontraditional careers, industry-specific workships -- sop -- workshops and presentationations, individualized career counseling, one stop center for referrals and physical fitness for the trade. the recovery act and organizations like hard-hatted women provide women the resources to get back to work.
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when i talk a bit about women and education challenges. madam speaker, we must ensure that our girls graduate from high school in order to financially provide for themselves. according to the national women's law center, an estimated 25% of female students do not graduate with a high school diploma in four years. girls of color are particularly affected think about trend. across the nation in 2004, 37% of hispanics, 40% of blacks and 50% of american indian or alaskan native female students failed to graduate in four years. while there are many factors that contribute to students dropping out of school, some are unique to girls. those factors are pregnancies and parenting responsibilities. according to a survey conducted by a foundation, 33ers of female dropouts reported that becoming a parent played a major
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role in their decision to leave school. specifically students cited the lack of affordable daycare for their children. while some high schools provide subsidized care for student parents, many do not. the school itself becomes a powerful determinant in whether the student remains in school. in many schools where a certain number of for fitting a class, teen motherses need child-related absences not counted toward their total number of absences and most could benefit from counseling in time management, parenting skills and referrals to services for their children. poor attendance rates encouraged by rarsment by peers and educators is another reason young women drop out of schools. 83% of girls were victims of sexual harrisment in schools. sexual abules at the hands of
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peers, teachers and other school administrators, these girls reported that the abuse caused them not to want to attend school, to avoid the teacher responsible for the harassment, to stop participating in the classroom and to be distracted from their studies. unfortunately when we fail to create a safe space in our schools, we yubbed mine the success of all students -- we undermine the success of all students, especially girls, their future families and our nation. according to the study entitled "when girls don't graduate we all fail," a call to improve high school graduation rates for girls, female dropouts earn significantly lower wages than male dropouts. are at a greater risk of unemployment and are more likely to rely on public support programs. female high school dropouts earned only about 63 cents for every $1 earned by male high school dropouts.
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measured against the federal poverty line, women without high school diplomas earn an average salary about 7% below the family poverty line -- below the family poverty line for a family of three. $15,520 versus $16,600. women with high school diplomas are earn an average sal riff 32% above the poverty line. being $21,936 to $16,600. female dropouts struggle with worse health conditions and less access to health coverage to address their needs than girls who graduate from high school. women under the affordable health care of america act are among those who stand to gain the most from health insurance reforms. madam speaker, we pay more, we get less and some of the ways we treated by insurance companies is just criminal. recently i met mrs. jodi miller
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of maryland. madam speaker, the house is not in order. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady is correct. the house is not in order. all members are asked to take their conversations off the floor. ms. fudge: thank you, madam speaker. madam speaker, recently i met mrs. jodi miller, a maryland mother who conceived triplets through in vitro fertilization. mr. and mrs. miller were later denied health coverage because their insurance company dehe claired they had pre-existing conditions. she was denied because of her infertility. the insurance company ask denied mr. miller coverage due to what they deemed fallible infertility. the health care act will outlaw such discrimination based on pre-existing conditions. the affordable health care for america act would revolutionize health care for women. ending the discrimination we face under our current system. more than 14 million american women who have purchased health insurance in the private market last year paid up to 48% more in
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premium costs than men. insurance companies routinely practice what they call gender rating. and that permits them to charge men and women different premiums for the very same coverage. the affordable health care for america act would make gender rating illegal. never again will insurance companies be able to deny women coverage for c-sections because we are pregnant or because we are victims of domestic violence. in her again, madam speaker, will insurance companies be able to deny us coverage just for being women. the health reform proposal would make health care affordable for all of america's women and protect us from high and potentially unimaginable out-of-pocket health care costs. we must and will improve health care for not only women but for all americans. let's talk just a little bit about women of color and disproportionately being targeted for higher cost
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mortgages. according to a report from the national caucus of negro women researched by the national community reinvestment coalition, african-american and latino women continue to receive desperate treatment -- dispar at treatment in the mortgage lending process. the report assessing the double burden examining racial and jendser disparities in mortgage lending demonstrates that minorities continue to be much more likely to receive high-cost home mortgage loans than their white counterparts. in many insta, disparities by race widened as income levels increased. indicating that discrimination remained a reality in home mortgage lending. as reported by the federal reserve and others have documented. before closure the -- the foreclosure epidemic is part in rooted in communities of color. the report finds that minorities were first to experience
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disproportionately high rates of foreclosure. as the foreclosure crisis continued to spread to suburban areas, a study suggests that middle and upper income minorities will continue to experience a disproportion impact which is especially pronounced for african-american women. dr. deweaver commented that, given the importance of home ownership to families and entire communities, it becomes clear that we simply cannot rest until every person, regardless of race or gender, is treated fairly at every stage of the mortgage lending process. the reporting data collected under the moment disclosure act for the year 2007 which is the latest year for which data is publicly available. for 100 of the largest metropolitan areas in the country, among the findings, middle and upper income
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african-american family -- females were at least twice as likely to receive high cost loans as middle and upper income white females, in more than 84% of the metropolitan areas examined. low and moderate income african-american females were at least twice as likely to receive high cost loans as low and moderate income white females in 70% of the metropolitan areas examined. middle and upper income hispanic females were at least twice as likely to receive high cost loans as middle and upper income white females and almost 62% of the metropolitan areas examined. and low and moderate income hispanic females were at least twice as likely as low and moderate income white females to receive high cost loans in 32% of the metropolitan areas examined. the foreclosure crisis has definitely affected my congressional district. responsible lending plodged that more than 5,500 foreclosures
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will occur in my district in 2009 and more than 18,500 foreclosures will occur over the next four years. the mortgage reform and anti-predatory lending act is to respond to the foreclosure crisis. it made the house of representatives pass the predatory mortgage lending practices reduction act of 2009. if the act passes the senate, it will strengthen restrictions on compensation pay to mortgage lenders and brokers. today some lenders deceptively pay brokers extra fees for -- if they write loans at a higher interest rate. even when lower interest rates are available to borrowers. the rates are unreasonable and borrowers are often subsequently forced into foreclosure. such arrangements are an indefensible conflict of interest and must be spopped -- stopped. a key element of the act prohibits lenders from
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underwriting unreasonable loans and prohibits practices that increase the risk of foreclosures. the act supports the lenders making a 30-year fixed rate fully documented loan rather than the record number of unstable loans marketed today. it also provides greater protections for renters of foreclosed properties like requiring a mandatory 90-day notice to vacate instead of the arbitrary practice that's currently being used. the mortgage reform and anti-predatory lending act is crucial in curbing the predatory practices of the past. mortgage lending reform is a vital piece of the congressional effort to prevent future financial disasters. congress cannot and will not ignore the fact that last regulation of this industry has left far too many consumers unprotected. i urge the senate to pass this
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measure soon. in response to the predatory practices of some mortgage brokers and agents, i introduced the predatory lending practices reduction act of 2009. h.r. 2108. the act is designed to assure consumers that mortgage brokers or agents are thoroughly trained and accountable for predatory practices. it does it by altering the law in three ways. first, the act requires that brokers and agents issuing subprime loans undertake a rigorous certification program. second, the legislation streamlines the process for filing complaints against unethical brokers and agents. and finally the act creates civil penalties for violations of federal predatory lending law. madam speaker, there are honest, decent mortgage brokers and agents in this industry. then there are a relatively few number of unscrupulous individuals who earn their
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commission through deception. predatory lending practices reduction act of 2009 will help protect consumers from the latter class of lenders by ensuring that all related personnel are properly trained and held accountable. madam speaker, further on a regular basis i host housing clinics within my district. do i this in order to educate women about predatory lending, housing scams and their rights under foreclosures. in conclusion, madam speaker, i would quote from susan b. ant boy in said, it was we the people, not we the white male citizens nor yet we the male citizenses but we the whole people who formed the union. men, their rights and nothing more, women their rights and nothing less. by responding to the needs of all americans, congress will address the needs of all women as well. with that, madam speaker, i
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yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady yields back. under the speaker's announced policy of january 6, 2009, the gentleman from texas, mr. carter, is recognized. . mr. mccaul: tonight, we rise during this leadership hour to remember the events of november 5, 2009 in the one of the largest attacks that was perpetrated on our u.s. military installation at fort hood, texas, north of my district. very solemn occasion. 13 people killed. very solemn occasion. 13 people killed. over 30 people wounded. and unborn child was killed that day. i went to the memorial service. 13 pairs of combat boots put
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together with a rifle and a helmet on top and the pictures of the victims who were killed in cold blood that day by a deranged gunman who unfortunately served in the u.s. military. in my view, simply put, it was an act of traceon. in a time of war, soldiers are killed. but when i visited fort hood for the memorial service, they said, congressman, we never dreamed we would be killed in our home. this is our home. this man killed his fell oover -- fellow comrades at our home. very disturbing. and the words as he said as he point blank shot them, at 100 rounds went off from his
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semi-automatic pistol into a crowd of soldiers and civilians was allah akbar, god is great. perhaps one of the most disturbing reports we got from that day. i submit that's not our god, that's not the god of our founding fathers. as the president said so eloquently at the memorial service, no religion condones the killing of innocent people. no religion condones that kind of violence. and he went on to say they will face -- he will face his punishment here on earth and in the next world. the president's right. we went to veterans' day, the
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following day, and went all across our districts paying tribute to the gait veterans, men and women who served this country with honor and distinction to thank them for their service. but the whole day, one could not help and stop and think about what had just occurred at fort hood, these tragic, tragic events. mr. hasan will pay for this tragic event. he will be brought to justice and it is my sincere hope, as the president said, he will be taken to the next world. and i want to, at the beginning, pay tribute to the 13, the 13 who were killed in cold blood that day, who died while serving their country admirebly and
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nobli, private fran cease ca valez, lieutenant 6 c13 valez, lieutenant colonel warman, 55 fl maryland. major carvao, wood bridge, virginia. captain russell sayinger, 41 of rays yeen wisconsin. staff sergeant decrow, 32 of preliminary outh, indiana. sergeant amy krueger, 29 of wisconsin. specialist jason hunt, 22 of tillman, oklahoma. specialist frederick green, 29 of mountain city, tennessee, private first class area inmonoka, 19 of west jordan,
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utah. private first class, michael pearson of bowling brook, illinois and finally, mr. michael cahill, 62 of ram ron, texas, where he was a civilian employee. fort hood has a special connotation. it is the largest military installation in the world. the fact that it was attacked and the fact that these soldiers were killed at home was the greatest act of treason and there were heroes that day. there were many heroes that day. sergeant kim munley, the civilian cop employed by the base, described by fellow
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officers as a tough cookie and pretty much fearless born and bred to be a police officer and a very good shot. she was nicknamed mighty mouse because of her size long before the fort hood shooting. three minutes after mr. hasan began shooting, munley tracked him down and unloaded on him at close range. she was hit in both legs and a wrist, but stayed on her feet bravely and kept firing at the charging gunman. hasan was eventually apprehended by sergeant mark todd. sergeant mark todd is a clean police department who arrived shortly after the scene and to bring this man who perpetrated this great act of treason on his fellow officers, his fellow
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soldiers, to bring him to justice. i want to talk briefly about my good friend, congressman john carter, who represents fort hood, who introduced the bill, which i was proud to be an original co-sponsor. and this bill will grant combatant status to those wounded and those families who lost loved ones. it will allow military personnel to receive the purple heart. civilians to receive the purple heart. civilians will receive the secretary of defense medal of freedom and beneficiaries of all military personnel who lost their lives in this horrendous attack will receive the maximum life insurance available and today it was announced by the department of defense they will receive the full maximum amount of $100,000. but let us focus on thr man, mr.
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hasan, the gunman. when i was at fort hood for the ceremony and viewing the combat boots with the rifles and helmets on top, i looked at the wounded soldiers and talked to them who was actually shot by this man. as they saluted their comrades, their friends at that memorial service, and i said what did he say as he shot you in cold blood and killed 13 others? allah akbar, god is great. when that news was reported to me and i got that information firsthand by our soldiers serving in uniform, the hair went up on the back of my head. i knew at that point that we weren't dealing with an ordinary
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person. obviously, a deranged man, yet this man was on a mission, on a mission that he believed was from his god. a jihaddist mission. it is a common terminology in the jihad world to say that before you shoot and kill others. i think he fully expected to die that day. he gave away his material possessions and seen wearing pakistani gash at the 7-eleven. he was present med dating the death of others and preparing himself for his own death. thr man was born from jordanian immigrants. he was shot many times. he has survived. we hope we can get inside this man's head to answer the question, what was your intent,
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what was your motivation, because there have been so many flags raised about this case. you know, it was reported that he said his allegiance was not to the constitution of the united states, but rather to the koran. he received poor performance reviews at walter reed because he was conflicted in the mission. he didn't believe in the mission or the war on terror and didn't believe what we were doing in iraq and afghanistan. absence news reported this evening that hasan tried to get his bosses to prosecute some of his patients as war criminals. soldiers serving in the united states army, to get them prosecuted as war criminals because they were killing his fellow muslims. he regularly described the war on terrorism as the war against islam. this is a man serving in the
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united states military, counseling as a psychiatrist for ptsd, soldiers coming out of that theater, a man who was transferred to the largest military installation, united states military installation in the world. and while studying for a master's degree, hasan used a presentation for an environmental health class to argue that muslims were being targeted by u.s. anti-terrorist campaigns. a former classmate said he was very vocal about the war and upfront about being a muslim first and american second. he was concerned that muslims in the military were being per executed. a -- persecuted. a man who are wore traditional
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pakistani gash. a man who attended the mosque in falls church, virginia with the imam, who also proo -- preached to two of the hijackers from 9/11. men convicted with providing material support to al qaeda and conspiring to assassinate president bush. then we found that the joint terrorism task force got information that mr. hasan six months ago was contacting this imam in yemen. we don't know what those commune crations were. but why was a major in the united states military be talking to an al qaeda recruiter in yemen? and yet this information was not shared with fort hood? that is why we are asking for
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hearings. but this president has said no, congress, you will not have hearings in this matter. we need deal with this issue. i'm not going to stand back and watch this matter be swept under the rug and not allow the american people access to the truth. the last time i checked under the constitution, the congress is a separate branch of government and the congress has the power under the constitution to exercise that oversight authority and congress should do that. congress needs to have hearings in this case. and we will continue the drum beat until the truth comes out on this man, mr. hasan and he was talking to before this happened and his friend, the imam who the day of the shootings congratulated him for what he did, congratulated him for killing 13 american soldiers
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. and with that, i would love to yield to my good friend from indiana, mr. burton. mr. burton: first of all, let me say thank you for taking this special order tonight. you know, this should never have happened. there are 13 americans that are dead, their families are suffering tonight. and it need not have happened. this man issued so many warning signs, it wasn't even funny. and for some reason, his superiors did not investigate this man, call him on the carpet and find out why he was talking about these acts of violence and anti--american sentiments. and because they did and decided to unload him and send him down to fort hood, and all of those people are dead that you alluded to a few minutes ago.
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this is just not an issue about this man committing these terrible atropical storm yits, this terrorist attack. this is about people in position of the military are made aware when people start talking like he did and advocating terrorist attacks on the united states of america. now i understand that people are very concerned about the religious attitude that people have and tramling on their rights. but when you are talking about a war on terror, a terrorist attack when they killed 3,000 people, blew up embassies in africa, attacked uss cole and that's their goal to destroy america, these fanatics, when we have somebody in the military or somebody in the military that's talking like that, they need to
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be investigated and need to be removed from a position where they can perpetrate those terrorist attacks. and this is a tragedy, not just because those young people gave their lives down there unnecessarily because of this terrorist, but because the superiors of his did not do their duty in responding to this man and reporting on what he was talking about prior to this thing taking place. if they had stood up and said this guy is a threat to his fellow soldiers, we might have been able to avoid this. i would like to say to my colleague once again, i'm very happy that you have taken this special order. i hope you will add me along with our colleague from texas to this bill. i would like to be a co-sponsor and say to the leadership over at the pentagon or the people at any of our military bases, if you hear anybody talking like this man did advocating a terrorist attack on america, by
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gentleladyy tell the people of this country and get them out thereof. not only should they be removed, they should be watched, so they can't perpetrate an attack. but they shouldn't be in a position of leadership in any branch of the service in any part of this country. we are in a war against terrorism and we need to make sure we are vigilant. thomas jefferson said the price of freedom is eternal vigilance and we need to be that way right now because this isn't something that is going to go away. we are in a war against people who want to destroy america, want to destroy our way of life and force upon the rest of the world their religious fanatic beliefs and we can't allow that to happen and go unchallenged. . we have a lot of people in a lot of religions that would cringe at thinking that that person was
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in their church or in their synagogue or in their mosque and shared some of their beliefs. because it casts a paul over every one of them. it makes every one of them feel like they share in this terrible tragedy that took place, this act of terrorism. and it's unfortunate because there's a lot of people that believe in the muslim faith that are just horrified that this happened and because of the way that they're looked upon in this country. and so if we're talking tonight, not just about people in the military, but if we're talking to people in mosques around this country, who love this country, they should tell the authorities if there's somebody that's acting like that that threatens the security of this country and threatens the possibility of a terrorist attack in any part of our society. and with that let me just say to my colleague once again, thank you very much for taking this special order. i really appreciate it and i'm
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sure the people across this country share your views. mr. mccaul: i thank the gentleman from indiana and your great comments and you're a true patriot to this country. and i mean that very heartfeltly. we've gotten so wrapped up in this completecal correctness, we're prohibited from calling in the war on terror. this has been taken out of the very knack lar. you wonder how man like this could be transferred and then promoted. with all the flags and contacts with al qaeda recruiters, why -- how did this happen? why wasn't that information shared? why when these flags went up were -- weren't we able to act upon it? we know for years that al qaeda has been targeting bases both in the united states and abroad. it's a homeland security threat,
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it's a national security threat abroad. they tried to do that with fort dix and we stopped it with good intelligence. they tried to do it with other military installations in the united states. so when this evidence got out there, the real question, i think we in the congress need to ask, is why didn't his spear yors know about this? -- superiors know about? or when his colleagues heard the rantings and ravings by him, you know, having a business card saying he's a soldier of allah, saying that his loyalty is first and foremost to the koran not the constitution, and the gentleman from indiana's right, i worked in the justice department, federal prosecutor of the joint terrorism task force. the national intelligence estimate says the most effective weapon we have is a moderate muslim. the muslim who will come forward and help us in the mosque to say, there is an individual out here that we believe to be a threat to the security of the united states. obviously this man was.
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but for whatever reason nothing was done about it and 13 soldiers are dead and 30 more are wounded. we in the congress have a role, an oversight role, to get to the answers and fix the problem, to make sure it didn't happen. the whole point after 9/11 was to make sure we shared intelligence and information to better protect the american people. i've seen no greater homeland security issue than protecting our bases right here in the united states. as i said at the outset, when i visited the soldiers at fort hood for the memorial service, they said, congressman, we see this in iraq and afghanistan but we don't expect that to happen at home. not in our home. not on our base. this was not supposed to happen. and the question is, is this man -- did he infiltrate or was he a
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lone wolf acting on his own? without any outside influence? we don't know the answer to those questions. we've been told that from the very day after this occurred that he was a lone wolf acting on his own. there's a term rush to judgment and in my view i think that was the rush to judgment. the idea that he was acting as a lone wolf. before we got all the evidence in front of us. all we were asking in the congress is that we review the matter and i have great hope that the majority will work with us in a bipartisan way to provide that oversight that this body, this distinguished body by the constitution, has the authority to do. to get to the real answers for the american people as to whether this man had radicalized on his own which he clearly did he radicalized, or whether he was being facilitated by people on the outside.
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and whether al qaeda had something to do with this because they have a play book and they go back to the play book. they had the world trade center bomber, they went back to the world trade center. you know, they tried to hit the capitol. that's their play book. they'll in my view try to hit the capitol again. chemical explosives, ewe self, when he was arrested in islamabad, had a very chilling story, had multiple baby dolls that he had stuffed with chemical explosives. he was going to take those baby dolls onto airplanes and blow up 12 commercial airliners simultaneously. they go back to that play book. we've seen chemical explosives come up over and over again. military installations are in their play book. and we need to take the protection security of our military installations both here in the united states and abroad very, very seriously. and when a man like this gets in and gets promoted and
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perpetrated what he did, one of the greatest acts of violence in a military base since pearl harbor, then we need the answers to these questions. we need -- there are so many flags in this case. not only this individual but what was he doing with pakistan? what influence did pakistan have on this individual? the american people need to know the truth. and we need to know it not as a gotcha exercise but as a way to look forward and say, how can we petter protect the american people from individuals like this, and our soldiers from people like this, how can we better protect bases here in the united states? we know he contacted many radical websites, posted very radical thoughts on these websites. it's time for us to stand up and have hearings on this matter.
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and answer these fundamental requests. tonight to the families, to the victims, our heart goes out. we hear the cries. as we saw the 13 combat boots, the rifle and the helmet pour trade in that picture -- portrayed in that picture, it was one of the saddest days ant darkest chapters i think in american history. as we go forward i believe we need to get the answers to the many, many questions that are out there. part of the hardest thing we have to do as members of congress is to comfort families who have lost their loved ones. i'll never forget that day at fort hood at the memorial service talking to the survivors, particularly some of the spouses who lost their husband that day. to the mothers, fathers and brothers and sisters. talking to the wounded gunmen, i
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mean, the wounded victims who were shot by this man. and as we comfort these feaments, as we have with soldiers -- families, as we have with soldiers coming back from iraq and afghanistan and those who have died, it is one of the most difficult things as members of congress, one of the most solemn responsibilities that we have. we know that words cannot give them back what they lost. we grieve their loss in the congress and we stand by the families of the victims and let me just say, god bless them. another colleague from texas who i know is here, when he is ready to speak i'd like to yield to my good friend from texas.
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ok. then i reclaim my time and yield to the gentleman from indiana. mr. burton: well, i just hope that all of our colleagues who are in their offices tonight or may be watching this special order on television will join with you and the other sponsor of the bill from texas, our colleague, and push as hard as possible for hearings here in the congress of the united states. we have in this body subpoena authority and the only thing that can't be brought before a committee is something that's top secret classified and if that is not the case then we have the authority to subpoena documents and evidence to bring this issue before the congress. a number of committees here. and i think the important that people like you and all of our colleagues ask the white house to relent and let us have these
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hearings which i think are extremely important because the american people want to know about this. because everybody's concerned about the terrorist threat that we face in this country. so the president can claim executive privilege and if he does that then of course they can block from us having a hearing. but even if he does that they have to prove that there's a reasonable for executive privilege and we have subpoena power here in the congress of the united states and so the committee chairman, chairman of these various committees, if it isn't something that's top secret or highly classified they can subpoena this information and bring it before the congress and i hope that you and the rest of our colleagues will do everything possible. i know you will, do everything possible to make sure the american people know everything that happened and everything that led up to this tragedy. and once again thank you very much for taking this order. mr. mccaul: i thank the gentleman from indiana again. reclaiming my time, i thini